Dyed versus Natural

[ewpeper]

Jim isn't that old. The former CIA type that told him the story was.

Eric

[Jim Slattery]

GEEZE! Was this is the weekend where everyone wants to sh#t in my hat or what?!?!
First of all the gentleman in question was a CIA operative. He did recon BEFORE we went into Vietnam, amongst his other "jobs". The man has lots of stories and most people don't think the 're true. That's fine eventually they learn that he has no need to exaggerate and except him on his word. He lifts weights everyday. He actually has a tent set up next to his trailer. He taught the owner of Patagonia clothing how to Mountain Climb the list of things he has done in his life goes on and on. This gentleman is used to 50 to 100 fish days. Most people would say yeah right but it is true. He gets disappointed when he ONLY catches 10 fish. When he says a 20 inch fish , well it is a 20 inch fish. He fishes for three months in the Winter in new Zealand where the average trout is 6 to 7 pounds. Comes back in late February to shoot birds, Comes to Campfire from May till early August then does the fall hunt before he goes back to New Zealand to start the cycle all over again. He's been doing this for decades.The man is a Physical animal. He made a nurse turn white and run for a doctor because "this man should be dead" as his heart rate was so low. He is one in a few million high energy guy. Kind of like those really gifted athletes you saw playing at the Super Bowl. It just was his game was outdoor sports and his job was well.....These people do exist but you don't realize it until you meet them.
As for the fly in question It caught more than 17 fish more like 27 to 30 fish, you have to realize that I used it before I gave it to him. It is tied "obscure" old school with a little twist of my own. What holds the fly together is the tying wax used and how it is applied. There is no doubt that I got lucky when I came up with it. All I tried to do is solve the insect " problem" that laid before me. It was a fly I had been working on for years and was hit and miss until I finally came up with the right color scheme and components. It works from May to Sept and imitates more than one insect (again I got lucky) a happy accident. The fly can be used on the surface which is where I fish it most of the time or any where in the water , even on the bottom with some split shot. Obviously this fly is not "magic" and there are times when it doesn't work or they have seen it before and refuse it. I then switch to other flies.
This isn't gospel, this isn't concrete scientific proof just my observations and observations of others as well. Let's be real here. If color didn't matter the all we would need to fish is a white fly or whatever and not expound about how we prefer Natural Dun over dyed, or the beauty of Cree hackle.

[Jim Slattery]

I was going to write a detailed explantion but decided it would not matter.
I know the man and I know the fly. There is no need for me to seek validation. I am sorry that some find it "unbelievable". I didn't know my credibility was so low.
I'm sure my using and recommending the use of 3x tippet while using the fly will instill more disbelief. Sorry. I am not an expert.
If sharing ideas and information is lowered to snarky insults there obviously is no point to further discussion on the matter.

[Joe Fox]

Jim,
Could it be that people are more willing to shit on you because you come on bragging about a fly you created and use yet you will share any info about the fly, not even a picture. If you don't want to get shit on and don't want to share then don't talk about about it!!!

Everyone on this forum is very forward with their information from rivers they fish, to the flies they tie and how they construct them. If you have something you DO NOT want to share don't bring it up!!!

Joe

[Jim Slattery]

Fair enough Joe.
I should have said that if you want more info on the fly shoot me an email and I'll be happy to share it privately, I thought I implied it. If that's what the rub is I can take the hit.
The disscussion was about color and how it effects trout behavior. I was using the fly as as example .
As for Sh#tting in my hat , it's been a real tuff weekend for me. A lot of stuff piled up on me and Wendy most of which had little to with our own actions. I didn't expect all this "stuff" from my post at least from this group. It hit me buy surprise. The tipping point. Hey "Sh#t Happens".
Jim

[upstatetrout]

Hey!how bout a picture.

tom

[Jim Slattery]

Hi Upstate.
What's your Email . I'll shoot you over a email.
Here's mine. Jimsflyco@aol.com
Jim